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    • Filip_KF Offline
      Filip_K Windy Staff @vicb
      last edited by

      @vicb Sorry, that is something we want to keep to yourselves yet.
      We're open to discussion on what should be forecasted under which conditions though.

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      • KommandorKeenK Offline
        KommandorKeen
        last edited by

        Excellent addition.
        Ignore all comments regards extra soaring specific layers as most can be derived very broadly from thermal height. How fast a thermal goes up is first driven by the height it attains, and secondarily by the temperature profile on the way. So unless you are going to deliver a profile tool for soaring........ :-)

        There is one additional piece of information that would be useful, and that is the buoyancy to shear ratio (b/s ratio) or bullshit ratio, as we call it. That helps determine if the thermal will be too broken up to use, even if it goes up a long way. That said, simplistically if its windy the B/S ratio is low, if it is light winds it is high. Exceptions are the record breaking long distance days on the flatlands where the airflow is laminar but strong and the temperature gradient favourable. Individuals chasing those records will go a bit beyond windy anyway.

        Thanks for continuing to improve a great product. If you want to incorporate the Australian BOM ACCESS model send me a message.
        Simon

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        • mteugelsM Offline
          mteugels @Korina | Premium
          last edited by

          @korina Great Idea . Any chance to have PFD (Potential flight distance) based on the normal 18M span like Topmeteo/Skysight does ? Many thanks !

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          • KorinaK Offline
            Korina @mteugels
            last edited by

            @mteugels We will consider it :)

            Korina

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            • TZT Offline
              TZ Windy Staff
              last edited by

              Hi, we are planning to add some more features, but not everything. The way we are walking is not a detailed flight calculator for questions like "how many points can I get tomorrow with my specific glider?", but rather "is it going to be good weather tomorrow?". For better insights we are planning to add/improve meteograms for points or routes and also improve sounding. These tools should work well together and be part of whole Windy ecosystem with all its features and layers.
              Would you for example be interested in maximum climb displayed as isolines?

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              • L Offline
                luglidz @TZ | Premium
                last edited by

                @tz What about maximum climb displayed as a line in the cloud box in an Airgram (similar to how you show the "pressure" line in a Meteogram).

                And I would love to see thermals AGL. This would be a better indicator for the expectable strength. Additionally, it would be easier to see, where the liftier airmasses are located.

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                • gerrymcnicolG Offline
                  gerrymcnicol @Korina | Premium
                  last edited by

                  @korina Fantastic. Love it.

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                  • TZT Offline
                    TZ Windy Staff @luglidz
                    last edited by

                    @luglidz maximal climb as a line is one of features we consider.
                    Any AGL maps are problematic. It could be easily misunderstood. Also the topography of all models is very coarse, all mountains are much smaller than real mountains. So we are trying to avoid AGL maps. But height above ground could be rendered in a meteogram or other detailed chart.

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                    • rittelsR Online
                      rittels Code contributor @TZ | Premium
                      last edited by rittels

                      Great layer @Filip_K !

                      @luglidz

                      Here is a fun thing you can do:

                      Open http://www.windy.com/plugins/windy-plugin-da

                      then go to the thermal layer, and the picker will show thermal AGL, also PA and DA.

                      (As @TZ said, elevation rather course, I use SRTM 1km resolution, so dont rely on this, else you might hit a mountain.)

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                      • chrabC Offline
                        chrab @vicb | Premium
                        last edited by

                        @vicb It's great! Thanks.

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                        • ozoneO Offline
                          ozone @vicb | Premium
                          last edited by

                          @vicb
                          Cant see thermals listed as a change colors option. Everything else is there, just not thermals

                          You haven't seen a tree until you've seen its shadow from the sky
                          -amelia earhart

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                          • Avolar1A Offline
                            Avolar1
                            last edited by Avolar1

                            Thank you very much, I am a paragliding pilot and this is very good!

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                            • KorinaK Offline
                              Korina @Avolar1
                              last edited by

                              @avolar1 Happy to hear it!

                              Korina

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                              • vicbV Offline
                                vicb Paraglider @ozone | Premium
                                last edited by vicb

                                @ozone towards the beginning of the list

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                                • T Offline
                                  TaaviS
                                  last edited by

                                  Great work!

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                                  • Luscombe8eL Offline
                                    Luscombe8e Pilot | Premium
                                    last edited by

                                    So Great to see this, Yes it is going to need work. I am in the eastern US, as much as I prefer the ECMWF, the thermal forecast seems to best be depicted in reality by the GFS. Both ICON and ECMWF are way off when compared to other soaring forecast tools which have been honed and perfected over years for a specific type forecast. Thanks WIndy, I appreciate this and as with everything else you do, I am absolutely sure this will improve with time!

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                                    • Luscombe8eL Offline
                                      Luscombe8e Pilot @vicb | Premium
                                      last edited by

                                      @vicb tried it , it freezes up on me

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                                      • khalilahliK Offline
                                        khalilahli | Premium
                                        last edited by

                                        Please gradient colors consistently and clearly on the convection areas

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                                        • Dariusz1964D Offline
                                          Dariusz1964 | Premium
                                          last edited by

                                          A very useful app, thanks

                                          darek1964

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                                          • K Offline
                                            KLSSoaring @Korina
                                            last edited by

                                            @korina - I'm really pleased to see this feature being added.

                                            Just looking at it this morning, its a bit too coarse to be useful to a soaring pilot. Its telling me, for example, that a broad area over central California will have 6 knt thermals today in the afternoon. Its smoothed from the coast to the Sierra Mtns. Here's a screenshot showing the current prediction for thermals:

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                                            Experience and other tools tell me (1) there is cloud in some areas today, (2) thermal lift is rarely or never smoothly distributed from coast to mountains like that and (3) its not going to be that strong. Here's a screenshot from Skysight showing what's more likely to be seen for thermal distribution and strength today.

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                                            Maybe there's no practical way to use better resolution and produce more localized predictions, but something more like the above Skysight image is what glider pilots would hope to see.

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