<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Meteogram wind speed doesn&#x27;t reflect location altitude]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">I see some issue with meteogram wind strength.<br />
Look at the sample, at 2700 AMSL wind is 17m/s.<br />
But meteogram for the spot shows 4m/s, which is for 1000hPa theoretical height (underground).</p>
<p dir="auto">I clicked on the spot on map to get prediction for it's location and altitude.</p>
<p dir="auto">So, in my opinion, meteogram, doesn't reflect altitude, so it provides highly inaccurate predictions. Especially for paragliding pilots it is super important to consider wind strength at takeoff altitude.</p>
<p dir="auto">It is pretty tricky and the only way how to get strength for altitude is use Airgram or Wind layer at height.</p>
<p dir="auto">I believe this shall be fixed as it leaves quite a lot of space for misleading user.</p>
<p dir="auto">Easily replicable - choose any spot at significant height in stronger wind area.</p>
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]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/topic/25860/meteogram-wind-speed-doesn-t-reflect-location-altitude</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2026 02:37:30 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://community.windy.com/topic/25860.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2023 19:58:48 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Meteogram wind speed doesn&#x27;t reflect location altitude on Sat, 03 Jun 2023 15:52:15 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/ondrejspilka723" aria-label="Profile: ondrejspilka723">@<bdi>ondrejspilka723</bdi></a> said in <a href="/post/145611">Meteogram wind speed doesn't reflect location altitude</a>:</p>
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<p dir="auto">However, even ECMWF admits there're issues with 10m ground levels (see the article). Especially we will experience high inaccuracy for higher altitudes, stronger winds or complex orographies.</p>
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<p dir="auto">For mountainous areas, it is important to use a high resolution model if available where you are living.<br />
A 9km resolution model like ECMWF model cannot perform in mountain. And worse, the orography model which gives to the weather model the terrain details is very coarse.</p>
<p dir="auto">In the Meteogram, try Meteoblue which provides good forecast in mountain. It is available only at point forecast, but it includes a good correction of inaccuracies due to the altitude.</p>
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<p dir="auto">would it make sense to extend meteogram and show wind at altitude?</p>
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<p dir="auto">This is available with Airgram, useful for flying.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/145618</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/145618</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[idefix37]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2023 15:52:15 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Meteogram wind speed doesn&#x27;t reflect location altitude on Sat, 03 Jun 2023 14:05:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/idefix37" aria-label="Profile: idefix37">@<bdi>idefix37</bdi></a>,</p>
<p dir="auto">thanks for explanation, now I understand the issue with wind at ground level at 10m height. Truly you're right, most models do use the some extrapolation,<br />
ECMWF for reference <a href="https://confluence.ecmwf.int/display/FUG/9.3+Surface+Wind" rel="nofollow ugc">https://confluence.ecmwf.int/display/FUG/9.3+Surface+Wind</a></p>
<p dir="auto">However, even ECMWF admits there're issues with 10m ground levels (see the article). Especially we will experience high inaccuracy for higher altitudes, stronger winds or complex orographies.</p>
<p dir="auto">As base meteogram is a tool of daily use (as a pilot I check before I go hills to fly, for tourism in mountains the same, before I go ridge hike I check wind), would it make sense to extend meteogram and show wind at altitude?</p>
<p dir="auto">People can really misjudge situation based only on 10m extrapolated ground wind.</p>
<p dir="auto">Thanks for answer!</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/145611</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/145611</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[ondrejspilka723]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 03 Jun 2023 14:05:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Meteogram wind speed doesn&#x27;t reflect location altitude on Sat, 03 Jun 2023 06:37:03 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/ondrejspilka723" aria-label="Profile: ondrejspilka723">@<bdi>ondrejspilka723</bdi></a><br />
There is no issue, no bug, nothing to fix there.<br />
Meteogram shows the forecast <strong>at ground level</strong> (at 10 meters height ), at the location altitude.<br />
The wind speed displayed on the map when you set the Altitude slider at 2000 hPa for instance, is in free atmosphere, not near the ground.<br />
You might consider this to be an approximation, but all weather models works like that. This is NOT an error made by Windy.</p>
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