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    • Valencia_WXV Offline
      Valencia_WX @idefix37
      last edited by Valencia_WX

      @idefix37 I think he is not talking about future radar. I agree that the new interpolation on the past radar makes it innacurate. At least, we need an option to disable the interpolation for the white line. The new future radar, is not usefull for me, but I understand that many users requested these feature and its OK.

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        idefix37 Sailor Moderator @Valencia_WX
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        @Valencia_WX
        So he just need to click on the white part of the timeline.
        By the way it is extrapolation not interpolation.

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        • Valencia_WXV Offline
          Valencia_WX @idefix37
          last edited by

          @idefix37 This extrapolation makes the radar wobble, the radar should be frame by frame, not extrapolate all the frames. Again im talking about the white part of the timeline not the red part.

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            idefix37 Sailor Moderator @Valencia_WX
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            @Valencia_WX
            OK I see what you mean, in the white part of the timeline, the picture makes short stops and returns, specially at the end the radar loop. I compared it with the mobile app which does not yet show the extrapolation phase. There are also some stops but it seems smoother.
            I don’t know if on the browser version having this wobble issue it is due to the extrapolation calculation for the “predicted” phase.

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            • SutyS Offline
              Suty Windy Staff
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              Hi, we still work on this updated radar, however, there is an issue with data we get from the source. For an explanation, their shots are doubled because of worse synchronization of radars in this area. We will discuss possible adjustments with the product team next week.

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              • DavidGAD Offline
                DavidGA | Premium
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                To be clear, I'm not talking about the future radar forecast here. (Although I did complain about that in another thread.)

                I'm talking about the regular "past" radar. It never used to wobble around like it is now, and can be seen in the above video.

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                • vortexyaV Offline
                  vortexya | Premium
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                  I really hope the programmers can implement an option to turn off this "future radar" Honestly it is not an improvement at all and as other have said it makes the whole process painful to use. Surely it cant be that difficult to disable this.

                  Station FW8109 (Anna Bay NSW)
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                  • robemburyR Offline
                    robembury | Premium
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                    PLEASE just get rid of the future radar. It is incredibly inaccurate to start with. It has ruined the Bureau of Meteorology app and is the reason I use Windy more often now. If you have to keep it, at least make an option to toggle it on/off. PLEASE!

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                    • SutyS Offline
                      Suty Windy Staff @robembury
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                      @robembury We will change the default start of the animation, so if you hit the play button, observed data will be played. However, there won't be any possibility to completely turn off this forecast.

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                        vortexya @Suty | Premium
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                        @Suty Thank you, that will certainly help. We have had very severe storms here in NSW Australia the last few days and the existing "slider" has been a total pain.
                        Hopefully the algorithm that controls this prediction will improve, is it an output from an LLM ?
                        I tried it this afternoon in the midst of a severe thunderstorm outbreak and it seems to be better than it was several days back. Also the juddering of the live (current ) radar had improved, so I live in hope :)

                        Station FW8109 (Anna Bay NSW)
                        Weatherflow Tempest

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                        • DavidGAD Offline
                          DavidGA | Premium
                          last edited by

                          This is still happening. The regular past radar (not the future forecast) is wobbling and sliding around the map.

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                          • Sinewave1S Offline
                            Sinewave1 @DavidGA | Premium
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                            @DavidGA

                            Yup, not a fan. Don't like how it works, don't like what it does.

                            The movement predictions can also be wrong by up to 45 deg for storms and squalls.

                            Plus, it degrades the actual radar animation. Not worth having.

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                              Sinewave1 | Premium
                              last edited by Sinewave1

                              Also: Currently, I have low-level NE onshore showers (that are developing into rain-bands), plus a monsoonal flow around a Low, bringing mid-level showers down from the NNW, over the top of them.

                              They cross each other at about 90 degrees, and at a similar movement speed.

                              So the prediction algorithm just spits the difference between them, and predicts they'll all move SSW!

                              No, none of these showers move SSW! They of course continue on their original headings. So this prediction is quite useless to me, it just averages the NET movement vector, rather than predicting movement and speeds of individual features, based on past movement and speed.

                              Plus it plays that 'prediction' first, instead of the logged data animation, which is actually predicatively very useful.

                              It's not a good feature.

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                              • SutyS Offline
                                Suty Windy Staff
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                                @DavidGA We are already preparing the solution for this issue, I hope it will be out soon.

                                @Sinewave1 We are still getting the feedback and we will try to do our best to optimize the behavior.

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                                  Sinewave1 @Suty | Premium
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                                  @Suty

                                  Thanks, an example of what's occurring tonight.

                                  Source: Windy.com
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                                    Suty Windy Staff @Sinewave1
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                                    @Sinewave1 We already released updated version, however, please let us know if you see anything strange.

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                                      Sinewave1 @Suty | Premium
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                                      @Suty

                                      Yes, thank you, the animation is working properly again without jerking around, and is playing the data animation first once more. Which is fine and useful once again.

                                      Though, the movement projection remains the same.

                                      That's ok, I won't use the future movement option until a better movement prediction algorithm is developed (if possible).

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                                        Sinewave1 @Suty | Premium
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                                        @Suty

                                        Is it also possible to remove the forward movement prediction from radar data animations?

                                        It makes a bit of a mess of them at present.

                                        Source: Windy.com
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                                          idefix37 Sailor Moderator @Sinewave1
                                          last edited by idefix37

                                          @Sinewave1

                                          Before the next release, just click on the white part of the timeline. Did you look at the @Suty’s post here above ?

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                                          • Valencia_WXV Offline
                                            Valencia_WX @idefix37
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                                            @idefix37 I think the same with @Sinewave1 . In the tab "Create Animation" there isn't an option to record the future radar or not. Could we have a button to only record the past radar or record past+future radar?

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