<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[Weird wind direction by HRDPS model]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Messages regarding this issue have been collected in this new topic</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/topic/37911/weird-wind-direction-by-hrdps-model</link><generator>RSS for Node</generator><lastBuildDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2026 18:29:39 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://community.windy.com/topic/37911.rss" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 08:05:54 GMT</pubDate><ttl>60</ttl><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Thu, 19 Dec 2024 22:49:05 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">The HRDPS cross-isobaric flow looks OK now, many thanks for looking into this and implementing a fix, cheers.. TDC.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/204872</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/204872</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[tawmdotcom]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 19 Dec 2024 22:49:05 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Tue, 17 Dec 2024 17:43:04 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/filip_k" aria-label="Profile: Filip_K">@<bdi>Filip_K</bdi></a><br />
Thank you it seems correct now</p>
<p dir="auto">06Z before fixing</p>
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<p dir="auto">12Z after fixing</p>
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<p dir="auto">The wind direction is now consistent.</p>
<p dir="auto">Thanks to <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tawmdotcom" aria-label="Profile: tawmdotcom">@<bdi>tawmdotcom</bdi></a> and <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/wheats" aria-label="Profile: Wheats">@<bdi>Wheats</bdi></a></p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/204677</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/204677</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[idefix37]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2024 17:43:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Tue, 17 Dec 2024 13:16:43 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">The fix has been deployed, wind direction from reference time <code>2024-12-17T12:00Z</code> on should be correct.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/204660</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/204660</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Filip_K]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 17 Dec 2024 13:16:43 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Thu, 12 Dec 2024 17:24:16 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">👀<br />
<img src="/assets/uploads/files/1734024160493-gem2.png" alt="GEM2.png" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /></p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/204409</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/204409</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Caefix]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 17:24:16 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:35:10 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/wheats" aria-label="Profile: Wheats">@<bdi>Wheats</bdi></a>, thanks for AniMet, good idea. For the same spot, I get different values for u/v-components:<br />
<img src="/assets/uploads/files/1734012831933-screenshot_20241212_141135.png" alt="Screenshot_20241212_141135.png" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /></p>
<p dir="auto">I'll try contacting MSC and reference this thread as it contains all info needed for debugging the issue (at least I believe so).</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/204397</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/204397</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Filip_K]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:35:10 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Thu, 12 Dec 2024 14:07:13 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/filip_k" aria-label="Profile: Filip_K">@<bdi>Filip_K</bdi></a><br />
I don't know if this is helpful but info on the site I referenced is here.<br />
It's all on github as far as I can tell<br />
<a href="https://eccc-msc.github.io/open-data/msc-animet/readme_en/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://eccc-msc.github.io/open-data/msc-animet/readme_en/</a></p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/204394</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/204394</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Wheats]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 14:07:13 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:58:04 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/idefix37" aria-label="Profile: idefix37">@<bdi>idefix37</bdi></a><br />
Definitely something fishy going on...<br />
Windy<br />
<img src="/assets/uploads/files/1734011722879-fe566e98-2507-4944-89c2-2566e2c896f0-image.png" alt="fe566e98-2507-4944-89c2-2566e2c896f0-image.png" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /></p>
<p dir="auto">MSC AniMet<br />
<img src="/assets/uploads/files/1734011598778-2a8efb4b-fc32-4bb5-8659-a6e33491f151-image.png" alt="2a8efb4b-fc32-4bb5-8659-a6e33491f151-image.png" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /><br />
<a href="https://eccc-msc.github.io/msc-animet/?layers=HRDPS.CONTINENTAL_PN%3B0.75%3B0%3B1%3B0%3B1,HRDPS.CONTINENTAL_UU%3B0.75%3B0%3B1%3B0%3B1&amp;extent=-10919169,3542499,-3460008,7081715" rel="nofollow ugc">https://eccc-msc.github.io/msc-animet/?layers=HRDPS.CONTINENTAL_PN%3B0.75%3B0%3B1%3B0%3B1,HRDPS.CONTINENTAL_UU%3B0.75%3B0%3B1%3B0%3B1&amp;extent=-10919169,3542499,-3460008,7081715</a></p>
<p dir="auto">I don't know if there is a difference between the HRDPS I see right from MSC and the HRDPS Windy gets but the direction is definitely off, even isobars are much more smoothed out on Windy.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/204393</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/204393</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Wheats]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:58:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:54:04 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tawmdotcom" aria-label="Profile: tawmdotcom">@<bdi>tawmdotcom</bdi></a> and <a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/idefix37" aria-label="Profile: idefix37">@<bdi>idefix37</bdi></a>,<br />
I agree that the wind direction suspicions, so I've checked the data. I checked point <code>N49.196</code>, <code>W60.029</code>, for <code>2024-12-12 21.00</code>, run time <code>2024-12-12 06.00</code> where HDRPS predicts surface (10m AGL) wind straight from 180˚ (so basically only v-component)<br />
<img src="/assets/uploads/files/1734010971780-screenshot_20241212_134235.png" alt="Screenshot_20241212_134235.png" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /><br />
while ECMWF predicts same wind from 220˚ (40˚ difference!)<br />
<img src="/assets/uploads/files/1734010985479-screenshot_20241212_134300.png" alt="Screenshot_20241212_134300.png" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /></p>
<p dir="auto">When I load gribs for this forecast step (u-component available <a href="https://dd.weather.gc.ca/20241212/WXO-DD/model_hrdps/continental/2.5km/06/015/20241212T06Z_MSC_HRDPS_UGRD_AGL-10m_RLatLon0.0225_PT015H.grib2" rel="nofollow ugc">here</a> and v-component <a href="https://dd.weather.gc.ca/20241212/WXO-DD/model_hrdps/continental/2.5km/06/015/20241212T06Z_MSC_HRDPS_VGRD_AGL-10m_RLatLon0.0225_PT015H.grib2" rel="nofollow ugc">here</a>) in QGIS, for example, I get same result (+15m/s in v-component and almost zero in u-component):<br />
<img src="/assets/uploads/files/1734011225595-screenshot_20241212_134700.png" alt="Screenshot_20241212_134700.png" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /></p>
<p dir="auto">So I believe we (as windy) are displaying the data correctly. Unless u/v-components are not east/north components, but rotated (since HRDPS is using rotated latlon projection, as stated in the <a href="https://eccc-msc.github.io/open-data/msc-data/nwp_hrdps/readme_hrdps-datamart_en/" rel="nofollow ugc">docs</a>). But that would mean that all wind directions are displayed wrong, which doesn't match Your observations.</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/204391</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/204391</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Filip_K]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 13:54:04 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Wed, 11 Dec 2024 21:51:45 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/wheats" aria-label="Profile: Wheats">@<bdi>Wheats</bdi></a><br />
Any thoughts about this weird problem with HRDPS wind direction forecast ?</p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/204344</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/204344</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[idefix37]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2024 21:51:45 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:54:40 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/idefix37" aria-label="Profile: idefix37">@<bdi>idefix37</bdi></a> Yes indeed, that is strange.. I chose a point 55°N 135°W and the extreme cross-isobaric flow noted on the HRDPS depictions for Atlantic Canada are not apparent. Also, the wind direction arrows in the time-series depict a southeast flow as expected. So it would seem there's something odd going on with the HRDPS wind directions in the Atlantic Canada domain, cheers..TDC.</p>
<p dir="auto"><img src="/assets/uploads/files/1733864069600-windy-hrdps-time-series-55n135w-10-12-2024.jpg" alt="Windy HRDPS time-series 55N135W 10-12-2024.jpg" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /></p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/204281</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/204281</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[tawmdotcom]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2024 20:54:40 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:50:30 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/tawmdotcom" aria-label="Profile: tawmdotcom">@<bdi>tawmdotcom</bdi></a></p>
<p dir="auto">You seem to be absolutely right. In your example on the sea, the wind angle predicted by HRDPS relative to the isobars is really not plausible and too important. Moreover, this direction is not consistent when compared to other models and to the forecasts you have shown.<br />
The developers should seriously take a look at this issue.</p>
<p dir="auto">Edit: On the west coast, the HRDPS forecast wind direction seems more consistent when compared to those from ECMWF, GFS and HRRR Alaska. This is strange.</p>
<p dir="auto"><img src="/assets/uploads/files/1733862855125-e8d89b2a-e7db-4e01-86e8-166e519a4574.jpeg" alt="E8D89B2A-E7DB-4E01-86E8-166E519A4574.jpeg" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /></p>
]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/204280</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/204280</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[idefix37]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2024 15:50:30 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Tue, 10 Dec 2024 19:02:36 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto"><a class="plugin-mentions-user plugin-mentions-a" href="/user/idefix37" aria-label="Profile: idefix37">@<bdi>idefix37</bdi></a> Hello, I have to respectfully disagree. If you examine the attached images of the spot location 54°N 055°W off the south Labrador coast for the Tuesday Dec 10 evening period, both the ECMWF and GFS are consistent with the pressure pattern by rightly depicting northwesterlies with a cross-isobaric flow of about 25° more or less. Meanwhile, the HRDP is depicting a west-southwesterly flow, nearly at right angles to the isobars. The situation becomes even more suspect upon examining the HRDPS output using the Spotwx app for same location and time-period. Both the time-series and tabular forecast data are correctly depicting a northwest flow. Furthermore, the official marine forecast for the South Labrador Coast is predicting northwesterlies for the period in question, consistent with the ECMWF, GFS, and Spotwx. On a related note, I'm a marine meteorologist with close to 3 decades in the biz, so based on my experience I strongly suspect there's something amiss with the HRDPS wind direction as depicted on Windy.  Cheers.. TDC.</p>
<p dir="auto"><img src="/assets/uploads/files/1733857261425-windy-ecmwf-time-series-54n055w-10-12-2024.jpg" alt="Windy ECMWF time-series 54N055W 10-12-2024.jpg" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /> <img src="/assets/uploads/files/1733857276324-windy-gfs-time-series-54n055w-10-12-2024.jpg" alt="Windy GFS time-series 54N055W 10-12-2024.jpg" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /> <img src="/assets/uploads/files/1733857288864-windy-hrdps-time-series-54n055w-10-12-2024.jpg" alt="Windy HRDPS time-series 54N055W 10-12-2024.jpg" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /> <img src="/assets/uploads/files/1733857317249-spotwx-time-series-54n055w-10-12-2024.jpg" alt="Spotwx time-series 54N055W 10-12-2024.jpg" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /> <img src="/assets/uploads/files/1733857323625-spotwx-tabular-54n055w-10-12-2024.jpg" alt="Spotwx tabular 54N055W 10-12-2024.jpg" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /> <img src="/assets/uploads/files/1733857330669-eccc-marine-forecast-for-slc-issued-10-12-2024.jpg" alt="ECCC marine forecast for SLC issued 10-12-2024.jpg" class=" img-fluid img-markdown" /></p>
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<p dir="auto">Personally, I don’t see any problem with the wind angle relative to the isobars when using the HRDPS model.<br />
Over the sea, we can generally observe that the wind forms an angle of 15°/20°. Here, over Hudson Bay, the angle is a little larger.<br />
Over land, it is generally 30°/40°, but it increases if the terrain is more rugged.<br />
In the mountains, especially in the high mountains, this angle can reach 90°, as you can verify with other models over the Rockies. This is what we observe in British Columbia.<br />
These changes in angle relative to the isobars are due to increased friction on the earth's surface.</p>
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]]></description><link>https://community.windy.com/post/203454</link><guid isPermaLink="true">https://community.windy.com/post/203454</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[idefix37]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2024 07:49:23 GMT</pubDate></item><item><title><![CDATA[Reply to Weird wind direction by HRDPS model on Sat, 23 Nov 2024 21:27:41 GMT]]></title><description><![CDATA[<p dir="auto">Hi, please check the HRDPS wind direction, the angle of cross-isobaric flow is extreme to the degree as to be suspect, thanks.</p>
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