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    New model on Windy: ICON vs. COSMO-EU vs. COSMO-DE

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    • ivo
      ivo Administrator @Gkikas LGPZ last edited by

      @meteo-gr Yep most people vote for COSMO-EU

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      • Gkikas LGPZ
        Gkikas LGPZ Moderator @ivo last edited by

        @ivo
        RMS error of mean sea level pressure in the N. hemisphere
        for ECMWF and DWD
        https://screenshots.firefox.com/L3o4fE3IpoaG35Zd/apps.ecmwf.int

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        • ivo
          ivo Administrator @Gkikas LGPZ last edited by

          @meteo-gr Yep DWD but which model?

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          • Gkikas LGPZ
            Gkikas LGPZ Moderator @ivo last edited by

            @ivo
            the screenshot comes from
            https://software.ecmwf.int/wiki/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=24316358

            According to this:
            https://screenshots.firefox.com/NRoZ4JFaOALpax2H/www.ecmwf.int
            DWD's global model is ICON

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            • J
              Jaggergege @ivo last edited by

              @ivo I absolutely love you app. It help me tell my sister to get out of Tampa before the news told them to evacuate for Irma. Thank you!!!

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              • Tomber42
                Tomber42 Moderator last edited by Tomber42

                I think windy team has read my suggestion https://community.windy.com/post/7000 :) Thx..

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                • Tomber42
                  Tomber42 Moderator last edited by Tomber42

                  Cosmo-EU is no longer available sice 1.12.2016, see https://www.dwd.de/DE/leistungen/nwv_cosmo_eu_modelldokumentation/nwv_cosmo_eu_modelldokumentation.html (unfourtunally german language)

                  it was replaced with ICON-EU https://www.dwd.de/EN/ourservices/nwp_forecast_data/nwp_forecast_data.html

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                  • ivo
                    ivo Administrator @Tomber42 last edited by

                    @tomber42 Thomas it seems that ICON-EU is nested inside ICON, so we can download just one set of GRIB files and we have both. Am I correct?

                    Are you from DWD? Would be nice to have some insider for help.

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                    • Tomber42
                      Tomber42 Moderator @ivo last edited by Tomber42

                      @ivo no, I'm not a dwd employee. But you can see what you can get here https://www.dwd.de/DE/leistungen/opendata/help/inhalt_allgemein/opendata_content_de_en_pdf.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

                      And there icon and icon EU are different data sets (with different update intervals)

                      And, as you can see, the WAM global and Europe Models are included now (bottom of document), don't know exactly what this is but it seems to include forecast about waves and swell, interesting for water sport I think

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                      • Tomber42
                        Tomber42 Moderator last edited by

                        Do you have decided which model you will add first?

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                        • ivo
                          ivo Administrator last edited by

                          It will be ICON-EU

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                          • Gkikas LGPZ
                            Gkikas LGPZ Moderator @ivo last edited by

                            @ivo
                            Do you plan to add it to Windy as a X-mas gift?

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                            • TheRadarGuy
                              TheRadarGuy Moderator last edited by

                              I have to say, I am very excited to use the new ICON-EU (Former COSMO-EU). Especially because I am going to Europe on two separate trips next year. I will probably use this a lot over there.

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                              • ivo
                                ivo Administrator last edited by

                                So far ECMWF rocks over EU a probably also worldwide. But we will see how ICON will look

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                                  galvin last edited by

                                  ICON certainly the best in future ...(isocahedric model!)
                                  thanks ! your job is very interisting and fine !

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                                  • LRG-Mitglied
                                    LRG-Mitglied last edited by

                                    ICON (EU) has a good performance, especially in coastal regions. Would be great to have it on windy.com.

                                    Is the implementation already scheduled?

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                                    • ivo
                                      ivo Administrator last edited by

                                      Backed is finished thx to @dzuremar . Now we have to implement it to the client

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                                      • ivo
                                        ivo Administrator @LRG-Mitglied last edited by

                                        @lrg-mitglied I am not sure that form of a grid is so important for model quality.

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                                        • Gkikas LGPZ
                                          Gkikas LGPZ Moderator @ivo last edited by

                                          @ivo
                                          in my opinion, the future of weather modelling is MPAS (Model for Prediction Across Scales) which uses a flexible grid configuration that gradually refines to a high spatial grid resolution in the area of interest (see image for USA) or in an area with complex terain (see the Andes mountains, South America). In such a flexible mesh we save computational effort compared to a global model using the same high spatial grid resolution.
                                          0_1513590860997_1d884172-9d1e-4a23-9be3-9c05926b8412-εικόνα.png

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