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    • Gkikas LGPZG Offline
      Gkikas LGPZ Moderator Meteorologist
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      Upper air temp. on the map is not the same as on sounding.

      Temp. at 250 hPa (FL340) is -56C (confirmed by official prognostic chart).
      Sounding shows temp. at FL340 is -59C.(wrong).
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      The cause is that sounding uses interpolated values from 300 hPa and 200 hPa.
      for better results you must, also, take into account values at 250 hPa (its a standard level).

      Also, keep in mind that tropopause usually lies at these levels
      so you cannot interpolate temperatures as tropopause is a discontinuity surface.

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      • Gkikas LGPZG Offline
        Gkikas LGPZ Moderator Meteorologist @Gkikas LGPZ
        last edited by

        .... official chart confirms that temperature at FL340 over NW Greece is -56C
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        • idefix37I Offline
          idefix37 Sailor Moderator @Gkikas LGPZ
          last edited by idefix37

          @Gkikas-LGPZ
          I thought that the blue curve (and blue figure) was the dew point and the red curve the temperature shown by the dry thermometer. But may be I’m wrong, being not familiar with atmosphere soundings.

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          • Gkikas LGPZG Offline
            Gkikas LGPZ Moderator Meteorologist @idefix37
            last edited by Gkikas LGPZ

            @idefix37
            Yes! You're right. Red curve and numbers stand for temperature.
            But, the problem I mentioned still exists!
            (confirmed temp. at 250 hPa = -56C. Sounding temp. -53C).

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            • Gkikas LGPZG Offline
              Gkikas LGPZ Moderator Meteorologist @Gkikas LGPZ
              last edited by

              ... the straight line from (A) to (B) shows that no other level (from 300 hPa to 200 hPa) is taken into account.
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              • TZT Offline
                TZ Windy Staff @Gkikas LGPZ
                last edited by

                @Gkikas-LGPZ Thank you for investigation. Yes, it seems that the 250hPa layer is missing in sounding. I will look at it.

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                • Gkikas LGPZG Offline
                  Gkikas LGPZ Moderator Meteorologist @TZ
                  last edited by

                  @TZ
                  any progress ?

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                  • TZT Offline
                    TZ Windy Staff @Gkikas LGPZ
                    last edited by

                    @Gkikas-LGPZ Hi, I appologize for the delay. My colleague is now working on another upper air task, so he also will add the 250h layer for sounding. If everything goes well, it should be done during this week.

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                    • Gkikas LGPZG Offline
                      Gkikas LGPZ Moderator Meteorologist @TZ
                      last edited by

                      @TZ
                      Thank you.
                      I'm very glad to see that Windy provides such "professional" tools (like sounding).

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                      • TZT Offline
                        TZ Windy Staff @Gkikas LGPZ
                        last edited by

                        @Gkikas-LGPZ And I am happy that you find it useful. I have a list of improvements for the sounding graph, but unfortunately it has small priority now.

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                        • Gkikas LGPZG Offline
                          Gkikas LGPZ Moderator Meteorologist @TZ
                          last edited by

                          @TZ
                          It is fully understandable!

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                          • Gkikas LGPZG Offline
                            Gkikas LGPZ Moderator Meteorologist @TZ
                            last edited by

                            @TZ said in Upper air temperatures:

                            the 250hPa layer is missing in sounding

                            I think you solved this problem! 250 hPa data in sounding are not missing anymore!
                            Thank you!
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                            • Gkikas LGPZG Offline
                              Gkikas LGPZ Moderator Meteorologist @Gkikas LGPZ
                              last edited by

                              Ohh ! not again!
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